Can the .308 take on elk or should I bring along something bigger? I plan on hunting mainly pigs, fallow, red and chital deer, and perhaps sambar. Unless you really happen to be hunting deer in a specific long-range situation, I really think that 4-14 power is the top end of popular magnification ranges for deer hunting scopes. This extended to British handgun cartridges as well. Bullets for deer just don’t cost a lot. As far as deer hunting calibers go, the .243 is light, small and perfect for beginning deer hunters. Just a day trip but check out the magic scenery. October 27, 2017 By Allan Jones Initially developed for military purposes, the.308 Winchester is one of our finest sporting cartridges. The Winchester .308 holds a very clear and outright advantage over the .223 Remington when it comes to hunting and competitive shooting. Did soldiers view the smaller cartridge as a back- step? There are some .308 rounds out there that perform well at these distances as well, but generally, the .270 would be the better choice. Chamberings like .308 and .300 blackout for deer in an AR are both effective and practical. Blistering good groups @ 200 yards with BLC2 and 168 grain AMAXs. The 1:12 twist was accurate in flight but went unstable in tissue much earlier than the .30-06 loaded with the same bullet at higher rotational velocity. 75 yards. This is my personal choice and in my opinion the best .308 round for deer hunting. If you put a .22lr in the right spot it’ll be more lethal than a .50BMG in the wrong spot. Yeah, the .308 Win. These big games incorporate an elk, bear, moose, pronghorn and the white tail deer. When the spin can't match the speed loss, the bullet tumbles. The .308 Winchester is sublimely suited to whitetail deer of any size, anywhere in North America. Now wait a minute! Dec 22, 2016 #11 D. Deleted member 25294 Guest. Sport shooters, awash in a trend toward bigger case capacities, raised some eyebrows at the compact .308 Win. I'm getting a new Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .308 Win. On average the .30-06 required a 14.2 percent propellant charge increase to post an average 5.6 percent velocity increase. 180 grain 308 deer loads are not the best, I have killed several pick up truck loads of deer with 150 grain WW factory, rem corelocks, you name it, in the 150-165 grain range. In 1952 Winchester had a new .30-caliber, U.S. military service cartridge in the works, optimized for semiautomatic and full-automatic firearms and internally called the "T65." There’s an entire line up of these rounds called the MSR line that uses the fusion bullet and are loaded specifically for AR 10’s and AR 15’s. Lighter weight monolithic bullets are acceptable because they retain all their weight. Up in Kiakora again hunting for deer with my latest gun. The .308 made its reputation as a deadly-reliable medium game killer with bullet weights I was fortunate to extensively inter- view a military professional who worked in a wound ballistics facility. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The company released the cartridge as a commercial product, the .308 Winchester, well before the United States adopted the military version that we now know as the 7.62x51mm NATO. Hello All, Was wondering if I could use federal premium 308 168 gr sierra matchking BTHP bullets for my upcoming antelope hunt this fall or are they strictly a target bullet ? The advantage to using a .308 semi-automatic rifle is that it can be used for both big game hunting on game such as deer or elk while also being used for tactical training or defending your home and property against raiders and looters. So what’s the big deal? Thanks for the a2a. First off, we decided to limit ourselves to the most common deer hunting calibers: .30-06, .308, .300 Winchester Magnum, 6.5 Creedmoor, and .30-30 Winchester. These cheap postwar variants offer perhaps the best value on the vintage-Mauser market. In short, the handloaded .308 may equal and sometimes exceed .30-06 velocities with bullets of 130 grains and less; the .30-06 has the advantage with 180-grainers and up. How can that be when virtually every long-range, precision and sniper-style rifle introduced is chambered for the .308 Winchester? Getting expansion can be tougher so many of the bullets are slightly lighter than others to get extra velocity. It is considered just perfect for the deer hunting with a bullet diameter of .308 in (7.8 mm). Fun to shoot, much less recoil than the 06 and very accurate. The loads are 175gr Sierra MatchKing with 42 grains of H-4895. It gets overshadowed by the bigger .30-calibers and "Magnums" but remains an accurate and dependable game-getter that doesn't beat you senseless. The devastating front end and the sure fire penetrating shank will drop any deer you’ll ever see. I expect that the .308 will be lethal on deer out to what many guys on this forum consider pretty **** far - 700-800 yards - your challenge out there will be the wind. survives on tradition. There is no doubt that the 308 is a fit for deer hunting and with the right bullet, you can achieve extraordinary results that may exceed your expectations. Some hunters believe that the energy carried by the bullet will do enough damage to the lung and heart tissue and the animal will bleed out internally. Tradition. The .270 might be a better option when dealing with shots that are over 400 yards. Winchester Model 70 Super Grade. The heart of the newest Model 70 is, of course, its action. It really comes down to what you need the rifle to do as both work well for deer sized animals. From my experience in shooting either the 308 or the 3006 there are a couple of bullet choices that I recommend. I'll confess that it is a bit difficult to pick … You don;t need a magnum for big game, you don't even need full power .308 Winchester ammunition. This is because it lowers blood pressure and leaves a trail for the hunter to follow. The 308 Winchester irrespectiv… The 308 Bullet Choice for Moose. Most target shooters of the 308 choose the 155 grain as their primary bullet choice. Why is this? Killed the two of the biggest one 12 and one 10 with cheap WW powerpoints 150 grain the 3rd with a 223 and a 62 grain bullet. Sources cite the .300 Savage as the 7.62's parent. Deciding on the right caliber for your deer rifle is really a matter of preference, experience, and hunting situation. You get superb accuracy without sacrificing too much velocity. If there was ever a more effective .30 caliber bullet for whitetails I've yet to find it. It’ll pass clean through a deer end to end and stay in one piece. If you have to include antelope and coyotes, the 7mm Mag is quite versatile as well. As well as being a NATO round, there’s a lot of it and it’s a bit cheaper than some of the other common hunting rounds. In North America, the .308 Winchester is popular for its routine use for hunting deer, black bears, moose and caribou. But the .308 Winchester, also known as 7.62x51mm NATO, is still a poor choice as a long-range hunting cartridge, sniping cartridge and maybe even target cartridge. Most of the big hunting magazines publish articles geared up for bow hunters. The most common factory loaded bullet weights for the .308 are 150 grain, 165 grain, and 180 grain. I personally think this is optimal. Advantages of the .308 Winchester are many. When the bullet makes the transition from air to something else, such as tissue, the resistance of the tougher medium slows the bullet faster. You can easily make ballistically consistent reduced loads for training recoil-shy new shooters or load a wad of tack-driving target loads for range day. Since its inception in 1952, the .308 Win. If you live around the Rockies and need to take large game like elk, moose, bear and deer, the .308 will get the job done but will limit your effective range needlessly. The best .308 bullet for deer hunting is a bullet that will reliably expand and penetrate completely through a deer. You need a bullet that has high weight retention for reliable penetration. The Barnes is an all copper alloy bullet that retains 99% of it’s weight. Judging from old gun magazine articles and letters from disgruntled frontline soldiers, it's possible. Thinking of deer and long range target shooting. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. A 150gr bullet from a.308 is the right medicine for the toughest whitetail deer you’ll ever run into. I've seen the 75gr .257" hollow points that are very similar to the 110gr .308's completely penetrate deer when shot from a .257Roberts at 3,400fps. There was a lightweight filler plug between the lead core and the nose portion of the jacket that added length, resulting in reduced stability and quicker tumbling after impact. When I was using a 308 I kept my shots under 600 yards and used the faster expanding Hornady 165gr SST's and Nosler 165 gr Ballistic Tips. Generally speaking, the 308 can handle slugs of between 125 and 185 grains fired at 3100 fps and 2510 fps. The renascence of bullet technology has left us with a whole shelf of bullets for specific purposes including deer hunting. 180 grain 308 deer loads are not the best, I have killed several pick up truck loads of deer with 150 grain WW factory, rem corelocks, you name it, in the 150-165 grain range. “The classic bolt-action rifle that all others aspire to be” You will … The Nosler partition is the original premium bullet. However, changing wounding characteristics of non-expanding bullets by using induced tumbling was well known when 7.62mm development began. The British 303 Mk VII rifle cartridge, adopted in 1910 and used long past World War II, had a 174-grain FMJ spitzer bullet that was almost as long as a .30-caliber 220-grain RN bullet. Not sure about where the end of "lethality" on deer would be for the .308 but two 165 grain Sciroccos completely penetrated through the chest of a big caribou bull at 510 yards for me this past hunting season. 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